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Reply #30 - 11/01/09 at 8:11pm
 
EmbarrassedMy mistake on saying the EVOLUTION_PROPS Sting Replica was supposed to be blue,not green,the correct color is *"BLACK"*! Embarrassed
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Reply #31 - 11/01/09 at 10:49pm
 
Sounds like somebody went into this without realistic expectations.  As lounlizard4rd pointed out, other than your issues with the quality of the construction  none of your complaints were promised or falsely represented in the original listing or many pictures shown of the product.  BTW, I doubt all original screen used stingers had the opening end and I bet none of them made the sound or were spring loaded. The only time I saw the stinger "spring" open, it opened from more of a propellant burst like a CO2 cartridge or something for the effect. I doubt it did much more than opening like an antenna the rest of the time.  There's a huge difference of what we "think" these things do or did and what they were actually like.

On another note, I wrote to Holy Replicas a few weeks ago and they said they could make a black one for me.  So it seems it's not an impossibility.  To be honest, I tried to make my own plastic one for SDCC this year and I can tell you after all the time I spent on it, I would have charged way more than what they were asking for theirs. And what they are selling is twice as good as what I was able to achieve and would possibly make a good base model to build it up from for some extra details.

This would be a different conversation if it was somebody like Master Replicas making them and those would be even way more expensive and still probably not up to some people's expectations.

Yeah, I agree with an earlier comment as to there being a little too much hyperbole here.  Chill.
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Reply #32 - 11/01/09 at 11:23pm
 
It's always best to ask any questions to your ebay seller before you commit. Maybe you can tweak it to get it closer to what you want. You can probably get it anodized or something. For the price you can't expect too much.
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Reply #33 - 11/06/09 at 5:02pm
 
SmileyScott,I have to correct you on a detail of the Hornet Sting used on the 1966-67 T.V.Series,if you look very closely whenever "The Green Hornet" checks his Hornet Sting,he opens a piece on the end cap cover,a light comes on,a meter needle moves,it makes a buzzing noise[added in post-production,more than likely],at the same instant,then it turns off when he is about to close the end piece built into the rear cap cover of the Sting.It telescopes outward automatically by what looks like Co2 air compression,or nuematics[air hose pressure powered connected],and by a flick-of-the-wrist-action.The famous STINGER SOUND may be added after filming,in post-production.It looks to be black colored ionodized,where all the metal parts are dipped in a special chemical-color-acid-bath,this kind of color is permanent,it obviously has very strong,very sturdy, very well re-inforced,telescoping front segments,probably the result of a very strong bushing being used within the main tube part,this studio original prop was meant,made,to last,by skilled,experienced,union craftsman,using the best materials,equipment,tools,where money was not a problem,at 20TH CENTURY-FOX STUDIOS in 1966.There of course is no comparing the original screen used prop,to what EVOLUTION_PROPS sells on Ebay,but,it can,and does,at least make for a good build-up version,to make improvements,changes,modifications,to.The listing on Ebay does explain what you are getting,and shows it,there are no hidden surprizes there,I just expected something better.It is better than anything I could have come up with on my own though.Hopefully,with the new Web Series and new 2010 movie coming,a better Hornet Sting Replica will be made,and just maybe,more High-End Sting Replicas made 14 years ago by Kevin P.Gaunt will be on Ebay.com,Amazon.com,in the coming year,we can only hope,pray,that these things happen,come true. Shocked
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Reply #34 - 11/06/09 at 10:23pm
 
It is possible that the "sting" prop Van used for the car shots in the 1960s was on a power cord for the light effect, and not the same piece he carried about in other scenes. The "pressurized" working sting extension effect, as I understand the history from word of mouth, tended to blow the prop apart as the segments weren't machined to close enough a tolerance for them to lock securely in the open position. Thus, the effect was discarded for manual extension in all later shots. The illusion of a working prop often requires more than one unit to be constructed, with film editing creating the look of a single item posessing many functions. And the cheap (within budget) construction usually requires duplicates to fill in as each unit is damaged or fails. After all, it only has to look kind of real for the camera at a distance, and is never intended to have a life beyond the filming of the show. The viewer is only supposed to imagine it's reality, for a brief time. After that, we're lucky if somebody preserves the original piece, or any kind of replica gets made at all. Wink
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Reply #35 - 11/07/09 at 1:29am
 
The Batman wrote on 11/06/09 at 5:02pm:
Scott,I have to correct you on a detail of the Hornet Sting used on the 1966-67 T.V.Series,if you look very closely whenever "The Green Hornet" checks his Hornet Sting,he opens a piece on the end cap cover,a light comes on,a meter needle moves,it makes a buzzing noise[added in post-production,more than likely],at the same instant,then it turns off when he is about to close the end piece built into the rear cap cover of the Sting.

I'm very well aware of this shot.  What I was saying was that I doubted "all" of the screen used stingers had that feature.  Meaning, I believe it was a single unit used for the specific shot (recycled over and over again) and probably most of the other screen used stingers did not have this working feature.  Like Robin's homing beacon in his buckle.  Another note is that the rear cap in that scene doesn't even match in design to some other rear caps like the other one pictured below.
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Meanwhile, we all wait for our dream stinger.  Smiley
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Reply #36 - 11/07/09 at 11:25am
 
SmileyScott,Bill The Bat,you may both be right about there being more than just one working screen prop of the Hornet Sting having been made for the 1966-67 T.V.Show.The one the "Green Hornet" checked when he opened/closed the end cap cover did look like it had a differant design for the end cap,it must have been used strictly for that one scene,and was powered for the light by an unseen wire out of camera range.I notice the handle was longer,larger,of differant design,on the screen used Sting Prop,when compared to the recent Sting Replica.I have heard that when they opened the front extending tube segments automatically by using C02 air pressure,it would send the front tip flying off into a wall,so that was abandoned in favor of extending the segments by hand manually.The two sounds of when the end cap is opened/closed,and the famous STINGER SOUND,were added after filming was completed,in post production. At least two[2] original T.V.Show screen used Hornet Sting Props are known to have survived,and are in a private collection now.I know a person that has one,they want $5,000 for it,any takers?!Anyone want to add additional feedback to this,please do so,thank you! Smiley
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Reply #37 - 11/19/09 at 9:09am
 
ShockedEVOLUTION_PROPS said they would make improvements to my replacement Hornet Sting Replica like adding the green glass jewels,painting it black,adding the back end flip up cap,making the five front segment tube extensions slide in and out in a smoother,easier,way,without getting jammed up and stuck,I agreed to return my damaged defective one in exchange for this improved one.EVOLUTION had promised to send me photos shoing the changes to me one week ago,today is one week exactly to the day,and I'm still waiting.I guess they are very slow at making the various corrections to it in Argentina[South America],where they are at,they said they would make *"SOME"*of the improvements to I requested.I will let everyone know if it has been worth the wait or not. Roll Eyes
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Reply #38 - 11/19/09 at 9:45am
 
The Batman wrote on 11/19/09 at 9:09am:
ShockedEVOLUTION_PROPS said they would make improvements to my replacement Hornet Sting Replica like adding the green glass jewels,painting it black,adding the back end flip up cap,making the five front segment tube extensions slide in and out in a smoother,easier,way,without getting jammed up and stuck,I agreed to return my damaged defective one in exchange for this improved one.EVOLUTION had promised to send me photos shoing the changes to me one week ago,today is one week exactly to the day,and I'm still waiting.I guess they are very slow at making the various corrections to it in Argentina[South America],where they are at,they said they would make *"SOME"*of the improvements to I requested.I will let everyone know if it has been worth the wait or not. Roll Eyes


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Reply #39 - 11/19/09 at 2:22pm
 
SmileyI have read the rules,am sorry for any past,or recent,new,violations.I did not mean to break any of your rules,it was not my intent to do so at all.I just received good news about my Hornet Sting Replica replacement,they are adding a spring loaded push-button mechanism to it,that will make the front tube segments come out automatically,this sounds very promising indeed!It should be ready by next Tuesday,they should have photos of it's progress for me then,I have to send back my damaged defective one in exchange for this new and improved one when it arrives,I am very much looking forward to receiving it when it is ready and has been shipped to me from them.I hope this posting was in keeping with your website policies,again,my sincere apology for having violated any of the rules.I enjoy your website a great deal. Smiley
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Reply #40 - 11/19/09 at 11:05pm
 
It sounds like Evolution Props are pretty darn nice about it. The only complaint I think you really had was the segments messing up. Other than that it seems they sent you what was pictured. That sounds pretty darn classy IMHO.

Looking forward to seeing what they come up with. If they get it closer to the original a may have to break out the $!
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Reply #41 - 11/19/09 at 11:59pm
 
Looking forward to pics of your new Sting, Armando!
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Reply #42 - 12/06/09 at 5:00pm
 
SmileyHere is an update on my Hornet Sting Replica replacement from Evolution:I sent them tons of e-mail messages with many ideas,suggestions,help,even a website loaded with color reference photos,so they could make the needed improvements,changes,and modifications,to the new replacement they have been putting together for me.They painted all the tubes black,painted the two gold fixtures better so they would not look faded,added something to protect the paint finish with,made the end cap open and close,painted the front round tip gold.They were trying to perfect a spring loaded push button mechanism to make the front tubes extend automatically,but say it failed to work properly,said it would be ready in 2010.I am waiting for it to arrive,it was sent last week. Smiley
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Reply #43 - 12/06/09 at 5:07pm
 
SmileyOh,I forgot to add that I will still need to add the light with the on/off switch,and the sound,when I receive it,I know where to go for the things I need to put into it,and who can install everything into it for me.I forgot to tell them about an extra detail;that the front round tip needs a gold colored metal sight on it's top center Smiley
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Reply #44 - 12/06/09 at 5:11pm
 
SmileyAnd the metal handle that folds down and up still needs to be longer,too. Smiley
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