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Batman & Bill Documentary

Posted: Sat May 06, 2017 7:05 am
by gothosmansion
Unfortunately, this is a Hulu exclusive. I don't have a subscription. Can you just stream movies on it on your PC?

Anyway here is the trailer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcBDjjY2swE

And and article:

http://fanboyfactor.com/2017/04/tv-revi ... bill-hulu/

I read the book Bill the Boy Wonder and I think Finger's contributions are probably known to us long-time fans. I really hope Finger will start getting more of his due in the mainstream.

Re: Batman & Bill Documentary

Posted: Sat May 06, 2017 7:20 am
by Ben Bentley
I remember reading about this a little while ago and i'm interested to see the flick.

Hulu isn't currently available here in the UK though so i'll have to keep an eye out for an iTunes release or an alternative/compatible steaming platform.

Re: Batman & Bill Documentary

Posted: Sat May 06, 2017 5:56 pm
by AndyFish
Just watched it.
Found it ironic that the focus was more on Marc's efforts to get Bill credit than it was about Bill.
I remain annoyed that the credit reads Batman Created by Bob Kane with Bill Finger which seems to imply to me that Bill was not ℅-creator.
Still, good he finally got some recognition.

Re: Batman & Bill Documentary

Posted: Sat May 06, 2017 6:23 pm
by SprangFan
I agree it should be "Batman named by Bob Kane but otherwise created by Bill Finger." But that's probably too long to fit in a credit.

Haven't seen it yet, but that's interesting that it focuses more on Nobleman than Finger. I've lost track of how many folks have presented themselves as the prime defender of Bill Finger and the one who "blew the lid" off the Kane myth, when in fact it's been the worst-kept "secret" in comics since at least 1964 and I've known about it since I was a little kid reading Steranko's "History of the Comics" 43 years ago.

Re: Batman & Bill Documentary

Posted: Sat May 06, 2017 11:28 pm
by Bill S.C.
I just happened upon it this morning on HULU and found it very interesting. Overall I liked it. I remember first hearing about Bill Finger's contribution to Batman back in the 80's.

Re: Batman & Bill Documentary

Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 9:42 am
by AndyFish
Exactly Sprang-- BATMANIA broke it in -964, but this should be about Bill Finger rather than yet another instance of someone else getting the notoriety.

Kudos to Marc for all his hard work and to everyone else involved, but I want to see a documentary ON Bill Finger not the people who brought him into the limelight.

It's still worthwhile to watch, and the recordings between Kane and his biographer Tom Andrae are worth it alone. Glad to see Andrae saw through those '1934' drawings in Kane's autobiography.

Re: Batman & Bill Documentary

Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 1:05 pm
by Bane
Looking forward to seeing this when I can, I've managed to avoid seeing any spoilers for it's content so far. Hopefully it's worthwhile.

Re: Batman & Bill Documentary

Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 11:50 pm
by whatever_gong82
Just saw the documentary Sunday night on HULU, and it was outstanding!!

To this day, when I think of who created Batman, I think of Bill Finger first, and barely acknowledge Bob Kane.

Kane was pure scum, to not even help Mr. Finger out with all the money Batman made him, to say nothing of how he ripped off the co-creators of Superman when he tipped off DC Comics that they (Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster,) were preparing to sue DC Comics to get back their rights to Superman.

Re: Batman & Bill Documentary

Posted: Fri May 19, 2017 7:21 pm
by TysonL
I just watched this and really enjoyed it. Although it is not a documentary on Bill's life it seems that most that knew him are long gone this late in the game. Just glad his name is attached to his creation now.

Re: Batman & Bill Documentary

Posted: Sat May 20, 2017 1:51 am
by TBolt
its ok, seemed more about stroking the author's ego than about correcting an injustice.

Re: Batman & Bill Documentary

Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 5:39 am
by Kamdan
Totally agree on the sentiments about the filmmaker making it all about him instead of his subject. That's one of the responsibilities about making a documentary. I'm also annoyed at how much they wanna point out how Finger got no credit, but don't want to mention how they plagiarized a Shadow story for the first Batman comic. Otherwise, it was great to learn more about the elusive Bill Finger, including his writing credit working on The Clock King episodes on the show.

Re: Batman & Bill Documentary

Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 6:00 am
by AndyFish
Totally with you TBolt.

Re: Batman & Bill Documentary

Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:34 am
by Chuck Williams
I loved the film.

I think the detective work made the movie for me.

Yes Bill Finger fleshed out Batman, no doubt, but I thought it was pretty clear that the details of his life are thin and building a film on recollections of one or two living friends and family wouldn't have been nearly as interesting to me and the thought of any dramatic re-enactment of the creation of Batman would have been ridiculous.

As a reader of detective stories it entertained. Truth triumphed!
It also entertained Lynne who doesn't know who Bob Kane is.

My two cents...
Chuck...

Re: Batman & Bill Documentary

Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:14 am
by InfiniteHollywood
I watched this back when it came out (hey that Hulu membership has it's perks after all) and I must say, with a documentary like this you do need something to sort of frame it around. Finger has been dead for ages, and everyone who knew him or was closely related to him is either dead or ancient and uninterested. So I think framing it around the guy crusading to get his recognition was a fair choice. Likewise, this is based on his book and presumably his research which supposedly led to Finger's granddaughter getting involved.

It is a touch heavy handed at parts about that dude and it does get a tad annoying at parts as he it focuses in on him... BUT, it's definitely about Bill Finger. About 3/4s of the way into the movie, they stop talking about the dude altogether and by the end of the film he's only shown a couple times. He more or less goes to the movies to see Finger's credit at the end. In fact, I almost felt sorry for him cause he sort of got pushed out of the documentary by the end. Once he finds Finger's granddaughter, there's almost no more focus on him.

And it should be noted that they don't try to pretend that this guy discovered that Finger had something to do with Batman. They make it clear that it was known in comics circles for ages, but that most mainstream fans were completely unaware.

There's some good stuff in this documentary, albeit, it's not perfect. But given how little material there is on Finger at all, they did a bang up job with what they had and I honestly don't think you could have made as entertaining of a documentary given the subject material, without doing the parts about the guy doing the investigating.

Likewise they do a good job of giving some color to Bob Kane's shadiness, without completely crapping on him.