Question about the S2 Catwoman episodes

[Commodore Schmidlapp]

There are certainly other instances of continuity being ignored.

For instance, Batman got elected mayor of Gotham City, and never served a day. Sure he appointed Mayor Lynseed deputy mayor, but wouldn't the voters be a little perturbed that the person they just elected promptly handed the post over to someone just leaving office?

And even though other villains didn't allegedly die like Catwoman, they all did serve rather short prison terms for their rather heinous offenses.

[Pengy]

I did not say after season 2, but after the 1st CW episode of season two, which is close to the range of the production time frame.

That's still placing the movie in a time frame it wasn't set in, which again you shouldn't have to do. If they had done it right, it would have been addressed in the movie, or just not have the Catwoman is alive line in the first S2 episode.

At the end of the episode, Batman counters Robin's statement with "at least one of her lives"--meaning he was not 100% sure she was dead, otherwise he would express any hope at all. If she could survive a fall into an alleged bottomless pit inside of a cave, falling into the ocean does not seem like the inescapable vehicle for death.

Batman's expressed hope eliminated the need to even explore the incident in CW's next appearance. honestly, how many questioned her return after the fall?

Expressing hope that maybe she is alive doesn't negate the fact they still thought she was dead. Even with the continuity flub, at least the season 2 episode acknowledged the fact that she is still alive when they had previously assumed she was dead.

As for anyone questioning her return, I don't know, I wasn't born back when that episode aired, and there was no internet back then for us gauge fan reaction to it.

[cammy85]

It's possible Catwoman was captured offscreen; like how in the third season premiere, they just returned from capturing her again.

[dell]

For a show that was written to be campy and at times outright silly, I appreciate it when we have continuity inside an episode. What happens between episodes is gravy when it works, but is not a requirement for me.

[Dr. Shimel]

I've mentioned before that Aunt Harriet had no clue who Penguin was in the Marsha teamup--two months after he waddled into Wayne Manor with Chickadee pointing a gun at her head.

[clavierankh]

It's really silly, IMHO, to try and fit continuity into episodic TV of this era. I'm a huge fan of Perry Mason , but it's hard to believe he could try 39 cases in a year.

Basically you must take each episode individually unless it refers back to a specific episode.

In Catwoman's case if we look at the period between the fall of 66 and spring of 67 ( about 6 months) she was:

Captured (The Cat And The Fiddle)

Paroled and recapture "The Cat's Meow"

Paroled an Recaptured "The Sandman Coneth"

Paroled and apparently killed "That Darn Catwoman"

Captured between "That Darn Catwoman " and "Catwoman Goes To College"

Paroled and Recaptured yet again "Catwoman Goes To College".

I say she was paroled because in two cases parole is referred to and in no case is a jail break mentioned. One would assume if she escaped Batman would already be on the case.


Even with GCs lax penal system it's hard to believed a hardened criminal like Catwoman could earn 4 paroles in a year.


Don't worry about continuity just enjoy the ride.

[celestialhost]

To make things even more confusing, in Zelda the Great, Batman says that Catwoman is in prison, after she had apparently fallen to her death in her previous appearance.

[BatmanFan102]

Catwoman reminds me of Wylie E. Coyote from the Road Runner cartoons and Murdock who was MacGyver's main nemesis. All would seemingly fall to their deaths or demise, only to be back again. In Wylie's case, several times per episode!

Would be amusing if someone were to replace Catwoman's blood-curdling scream when she slips and falls into the supposed bottomless pit with Murdock yelling "MACGYYYYVVVVVVVEEEEERRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!"

[Jaws63]

To make things even more confusing, in Zelda the Great, Batman says that Catwoman is in prison, after she had apparently fallen to her death in her previous appearance.

Actually, Chronologically speaking..."The purrfect crime, Better luck Next time" episode(where Catwoman falls in the pit) comes well after the "Zelda" episode. What was weird to me though is that season1 was pretty good when it came to not referencing villains that B&R hadn't yet faced, with the Zelda episode being the exception( B&R had not yet faced Catwoman). These pair of episodes fall at no. 9 &10 in the order for which it aired, but falls at episodes 5 & 6 followed by the first Joker episode in production order.
Batman's "Catwoman's already IN prison" comment IMHO makes me want to place the movie as the pilot to the show, for that line to make sense.

Speaking of production order, in season 2...there were references to other villains B&R previously faced in the Minstrel Episodes. The Clock king reference is not a continuity gaff as The Clock king episode was actually produced before the Minstrel episode.

I also want to add...I agree with most of you that it makes more sense for the Catwoman "College" episode to be proceeded by the Sandman team-up... with Catwoman/Pussycat being "Newmar's " closing episode, However I always felt Catwoman's tease at the "Sherlock homes" real estate development(which was so classic) was A nice way of putting closure on the whole "what ever kinda thing they had, if anything", and Catwoman's "were fated to travel different directions" seemed very much like a closing line to me.

[clavierankh]

I have no problem mentioning Catwoman before her first appearance. She was already established in the comics and the Batman movie with Catwoman was supposed to precede the series.

What was strange was mentioning Clock King in th Minstrel episode.

[Jaws63]

I have no problem mentioning Catwoman before her first appearance. She was already established in the comics and the Batman movie with Catwoman was supposed to precede the series.

What was strange was mentioning Clock King in th Minstrel episode.

You are right, The movie was meant to be the series opener. I meant to mention that. Why do find it strange though about the Clock King reference in the Minstrel episode? If you were to watch the episodes in their production order, I do believe the Clock king episode comes before the Minstrel's. If I'm not mistaken, "The Penguin's nest" was the first episode produced for the second season, and it's obvious. I'm sure you noticed, this episode had the full recap in the 2nd half, where the previous Joker, Marsha and Shame episodes did not.

Also if you'll notice the movie followed the season 1 trend of having the fight words etched on the screen as opposed to the flashcard type used season 2, so it would seem awkward to see the movie placed beyond ANY season 2 opener. I also noticed that the "un-aired Batgirl pilot" also followed the season1 trend with the fight words...Meaning the Batgirl pilot(added to the mix) might fall after the movie and before the first season 2 episode.

[Quarhog]

It's really silly, IMHO, to try and fit continuity into episodic TV of this era. I'm a huge fan of Perry Mason , but it's hard to believe he could try 39 cases in a year.

Basically you must take each episode individually unless it refers back to a specific episode.

In Catwoman's case if we look at the period between the fall of 66 and spring of 67 ( about 6 months) she was:

Captured (The Cat And The Fiddle)

Paroled and recapture "The Cat's Meow"

Paroled an Recaptured "The Sandman Coneth"

Paroled and apparently killed "That Darn Catwoman"

Captured between "That Darn Catwoman " and "Catwoman Goes To College"

Paroled and Recaptured yet again "Catwoman Goes To College".

I say she was paroled because in two cases parole is referred to and in no case is a jail break mentioned. One would assume if she escaped Batman would already be on the case.


Even with GCs lax penal system it's hard to believed a hardened criminal like Catwoman could earn 4 paroles in a year.


Don't worry about continuity just enjoy the ride.

It doesn't say much for Warden Crichton's rehabilitation programme that so many arch-criminals have reoffended on his watch; and despite being regularly packed off to the slammer by the Dynamic Duo, the Riddler usually seems to be back at large again pretty swiftly.

[Gorshin Romero]

It's really silly, IMHO, to try and fit continuity into episodic TV of this era. I'm a huge fan of Perry Mason , but it's hard to believe he could try 39 cases in a year.

Basically you must take each episode individually unless it refers back to a specific episode.

In Catwoman's case if we look at the period between the fall of 66 and spring of 67 ( about 6 months) she was:

Captured (The Cat And The Fiddle)

Paroled and recapture "The Cat's Meow"

Paroled an Recaptured "The Sandman Coneth"

Paroled and apparently killed "That Darn Catwoman"

Captured between "That Darn Catwoman " and "Catwoman Goes To College"

Paroled and Recaptured yet again "Catwoman Goes To College".

I say she was paroled because in two cases parole is referred to and in no case is a jail break mentioned. One would assume if she escaped Batman would already be on the case.


Even with GCs lax penal system it's hard to believed a hardened criminal like Catwoman could earn 4 paroles in a year.


Don't worry about continuity just enjoy the ride.

You're absolutely right about continuity on the older television shows. Other examples of this include:

"Hogan's Heroes" So if there was never a successful escape form Stalag 13, then how is it a black communications soldier like Sergeant Kinchloe played by Ivan Dixon is eventually replaced by another one named Sergeant Baker played by Kenneth Washington? I know Ivan Dixon wanted to go on to direct movies, but that was no excuse to never acknowledge the character of Kinchloe once he was replaced by Kenneth Washington's Baker.

In that famous big budget musical "The Pajama Game" there is a number called "Steam Heat" which is performed at a workers' union meeting. One of the main dancers in that number is a character named Gladys; Gladys actually works in the CORPORATE OFFICE, so there is no logical reason that said character should have or would have been at a union meeting due to a logical conflict of interest.

And of course, let's not forget the later but highly infamous disappearance of Chuck Cunningham from the "Happy Days" cast. Come to think of it, I never found out whatever happened to Chano (Gregory Sierra) on "Barney Miller" ---and no he didn't get blown up in his car after visiting Archie Bunker as one person suggested.

[Dr. Shimel]

It's really silly, IMHO, to try and fit continuity into episodic TV of this era. I'm a huge fan of Perry Mason , but it's hard to believe he could try 39 cases in a year.

Basically you must take each episode individually unless it refers back to a specific episode.

In Catwoman's case if we look at the period between the fall of 66 and spring of 67 ( about 6 months) she was:

Captured (The Cat And The Fiddle)

Paroled and recapture "The Cat's Meow"

Paroled an Recaptured "The Sandman Coneth"

Paroled and apparently killed "That Darn Catwoman"

Captured between "That Darn Catwoman " and "Catwoman Goes To College"

Paroled and Recaptured yet again "Catwoman Goes To College".

I say she was paroled because in two cases parole is referred to and in no case is a jail break mentioned. One would assume if she escaped Batman would already be on the case.


Even with GCs lax penal system it's hard to believed a hardened criminal like Catwoman could earn 4 paroles in a year.


Don't worry about continuity just enjoy the ride.

You're absolutely right about continuity on the older television shows. Other examples of this include:

"Hogan's Heroes" So if there was never a successful escape form Stalag 13, then how is it a black communications soldier like Sergeant Kinchloe played by Ivan Dixon is eventually replaced by another one named Sergeant Baker played by Kenneth Washington? I know Ivan Dixon wanted to go on to direct movies, but that was no excuse to never acknowledge the character of Kinchloe once he was replaced by Kenneth Washington's Baker.

And of course, let's not forget the later but highly infamous disappearance of Chuck Cunningham from the "Happy Days" cast. Come to think of it, I never found out whatever happened to Chano (Gregory Sierra) on "Barney Miller" ---and no he didn't get blown up in his car after visiting Archie Bunker as one person suggested.

On Mission impossible, Greg Morris somehow had no problem passing himself off as a Eastern Eurpean guard or some other related area.

Chuck must have died in some infamous fashion, since he didn't even show up at Joanie and Chachi's wedding that ended the series, and Howard Cunningham didn't even acknowledge him.

[Quarhog]

I have always regretted that although on several occasions we saw Catwoman in detention in Gotham City Penitentiary, Ms Newmar never wore prison uniform for these scenes. It was presumably in keeping with the moderately more serious and 'realistic' tone of the earlier episodes of Series 1 that Anne Baxter as Zelda appears in prison uniform at the end of Episode 10; but to the best of my recall in subsequent stories only Chandell and Ma Parker were ever shown dressed as convicts. Julie Newmar actually has an uncredited cameo depicting Catwoman as a fellow prisoner in the episode 'Ma Parker'; but in costume while all the other inmates are in prison uniform.

It's too bad that we we never saw a Caged Catwoman in convict's stripes, because a) it would have furnished Ms Newmar with a different sexy look (it certainly looked good on Anne Baxter when she modelled it in the concluding scene of 'A Death Worse Than Fate') and b) it would have provided a graphic visual reminder of just how far the little minx stands to fall after being cuffed by the Caped Crusader at the conclusion of each failed caper: no more wet-look lamé for HER for the foreseeable future...!